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Peter Sampson-2
I have recently been working with my Prefences for "Effects" set to
"Group by Type"

This leads to some odd-looking behavior in the Analyze menu wch has two
entries not grouped at all:  Contrast... & Plot Spectrum...

And only a single entry (Find Clipping...) in the Analyze>Audacity sub-menu.


Now i'm sure thare are good and sufficient programming reasons why this behavior
obtains - but to a "dumb user" like me it looks plain wrong. 

My "dumb user" thinking goes
a) gee, I asked for grouping and I get staff that isn't grouped
b) surely those two, Contrast & Plot Spectrum, are Audacity provided
and thus should be in the "Audacity" group

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And as discussed elsewhere (and possibly lost in a dense long email thread)
I think we would be better off changing theEffect>Audacity menu nomenclature
to Effect>Built-in  (that's what we normally referto them as)
and similarly for Analyze and Generate.

After all the Nyquist effects are part of Audacity too - part of the Audacity bundle
that you get when you download and install Audacity.

I will add this bit to Wiki>Wording (talk page initially).

Peter.





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Re: Analyze Menu oddities

Stevethefiddle
On 25 March 2017 at 11:30, Peter Sampson <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I have recently been working with my Prefences for "Effects" set to
> "Group by Type"
>
> This leads to some odd-looking behavior in the Analyze menu wch has two
> entries not grouped at all:  Contrast... & Plot Spectrum...
>
> And only a single entry (Find Clipping...) in the Analyze>Audacity sub-menu.
>
>
> Now i'm sure thare are good and sufficient programming reasons why this
> behavior
> obtains - but to a "dumb user" like me it looks plain wrong.
>
> My "dumb user" thinking goes
> a) gee, I asked for grouping and I get staff that isn't grouped
> b) surely those two, Contrast & Plot Spectrum, are Audacity provided
> and thus should be in the "Audacity" group

We have a setting for the maximum size of a group. Perhaps we should
also have a setting for the minimum size of a group?
I don't think it makes ergonomic sense to split a menu that has a
total of less than 10 items into sub-menus (and doing so goes against
the Microsoft guidelines that David posted recently).

>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> And as discussed elsewhere (and possibly lost in a dense long email thread)
> I think we would be better off changing theEffect>Audacity menu nomenclature
> to Effect>Built-in  (that's what we normally referto them as)
> and similarly for Analyze and Generate.

+1

Steve

>
> After all the Nyquist effects are part of Audacity too - part of the
> Audacity bundle
> that you get when you download and install Audacity.
>
> I will add this bit to Wiki>Wording (talk page initially).
>
> Peter.

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Re: Analyze Menu oddities

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Re: Analyze Menu oddities

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In reply to this post by Peter Sampson-2
On 25 March 2017 at 11:30, Peter Sampson <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I have recently been working with my Prefences for "Effects" set to
> "Group by Type"
>
> This leads to some odd-looking behavior in the Analyze menu wch has two
> entries not grouped at all:  Contrast... & Plot Spectrum...
>
> And only a single entry (Find Clipping...) in the Analyze>Audacity sub-menu.
>
>
> Now i'm sure thare are good and sufficient programming reasons why this
> behavior
> obtains - but to a "dumb user" like me it looks plain wrong.
>
> My "dumb user" thinking goes
> a) gee, I asked for grouping and I get staff that isn't grouped
> b) surely those two, Contrast & Plot Spectrum, are Audacity provided
> and thus should be in the "Audacity" group

Is this another symptom of Contrast and Plot Spectrum not
actually being effects, and so not being listed in Plug-in Manager:
http://bugzilla.audacityteam.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1019 ?



Gale


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>
> And as discussed elsewhere (and possibly lost in a dense long email thread)
> I think we would be better off changing theEffect>Audacity menu nomenclature
> to Effect>Built-in  (that's what we normally referto them as)
> and similarly for Analyze and Generate.
>
> After all the Nyquist effects are part of Audacity too - part of the
> Audacity bundle
> that you get when you download and install Audacity.
>
> I will add this bit to Wiki>Wording (talk page initially).
>
> Peter.
>
>
>
>
>
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