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Paul Licameli
Listing some minor appearance issues -- biased toward the Mac that I do most of my work on these days:

Not necessarily problems, and not specific to any theme:
  1. So far, we let it stand, that the Close and Mute buttons do not impinge on the left and top borders of TrackControlPanel, whereas they did in 2.1.3, appearing a little more raised.
  2. Menu button and Solo have now (c11fd1d) been made consistent -- so they DO slightly impinge on the RIGHT border, but they did not in 2.1.3.
  3. When there is no Solo (Tracks, Behaviors preferences), Mute is now centered, good.  But the Minimize button below it does not center the same way.  Does anyone find that unaesthetic?
  4. Menu button overlaps bottom track border slightly, which it did not in 2.1.3. Is this intended?
And theme-specific:
  1. Extra lines about the Minimize, Mute, and Solo buttons are no longer drawn, as they were in 2.1.3.  So even Classic changes it appearance, and I think the top and left bevels of the buttons in unselected tracks contrast too little with the background of the panel.  I suppose that was why code was once added to make extra lines.  (In Light theme, there is a small change to the background of the buttons themselves, which is just enough to improve contrast.)  So should the lines be restored, just for Classic?  Or should Classic make some small color change?
  2. Mousing over the Transport toolbar buttons in Light theme on Mac looks a bit wrong at the borders -- as if the bitmaps have been clipped one or two pixels at the top.
  3. In Classic theme, on Mac, mousing over the menu buttons on the recording and playback meters makes too little change of appearance, less so than the clear change in 2.1.3, and as in (2) the changes near the borders of the bitmap don't look right.
That's all for now, there may be others.

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Re: [Audacity-devel] Minor appearance issues

Gale
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On 9 June 2017 at 18:02, Paul Licameli <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Listing some minor appearance issues -- biased toward the Mac that I do most
> of my work on these days:
>
> Not necessarily problems, and not specific to any theme:
>
> So far, we let it stand, that the Close and Mute buttons do not impinge on
> the left and top borders of TrackControlPanel, whereas they did in 2.1.3,
> appearing a little more raised.
> Menu button and Solo have now (c11fd1d) been made consistent -- so they DO
> slightly impinge on the RIGHT border, but they did not in 2.1.3.
> When there is no Solo (Tracks, Behaviors preferences), Mute is now centered,
> good.  But the Minimize button below it does not center the same way.  Does
> anyone find that unaesthetic?

Regardless, if Minimize centred, where would the Sync-Lock Tracks button
go?


Gale


> Menu button overlaps bottom track border slightly, which it did not in
> 2.1.3. Is this intended?
>
> And theme-specific:
>
> Extra lines about the Minimize, Mute, and Solo buttons are no longer drawn,
> as they were in 2.1.3.  So even Classic changes it appearance, and I think
> the top and left bevels of the buttons in unselected tracks contrast too
> little with the background of the panel.  I suppose that was why code was
> once added to make extra lines.  (In Light theme, there is a small change to
> the background of the buttons themselves, which is just enough to improve
> contrast.)  So should the lines be restored, just for Classic?  Or should
> Classic make some small color change?
> Mousing over the Transport toolbar buttons in Light theme on Mac looks a bit
> wrong at the borders -- as if the bitmaps have been clipped one or two
> pixels at the top.
> In Classic theme, on Mac, mousing over the menu buttons on the recording and
> playback meters makes too little change of appearance, less so than the
> clear change in 2.1.3, and as in (2) the changes near the borders of the
> bitmap don't look right.
>
> That's all for now, there may be others.
>
> PRL
>
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Re: [Audacity-devel] Minor appearance issues

Gale
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Yes, sorry I meant "indicator" in the TCP. There would not be room
for the indicator if the Minimize button was centred.

At the moment the "indicator" is an indication of "Sync-Lock
Selectedness" for each track, which is a different purpose to a button
that enables the Sync-Locked Tracks feature globally.

But I think there is a good case that user could manually choose
which tracks to sync in the TCP. The only global option then might be
an option to sync selected tracks.


Gale


On 9 June 2017 at 18:38, Peter Sampson <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 6:31 PM, Gale Andrews <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> On 9 June 2017 at 18:02, Paul Licameli <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> > Listing some minor appearance issues -- biased toward the Mac that I do
>> > most
>> > of my work on these days:
>> >
>> > Not necessarily problems, and not specific to any theme:
>> >
>> > So far, we let it stand, that the Close and Mute buttons do not impinge
>> > on
>> > the left and top borders of TrackControlPanel, whereas they did in
>> > 2.1.3,
>> > appearing a little more raised.
>> > Menu button and Solo have now (c11fd1d) been made consistent -- so they
>> > DO
>> > slightly impinge on the RIGHT border, but they did not in 2.1.3.
>> > When there is no Solo (Tracks, Behaviors preferences), Mute is now
>> > centered,
>> > good.  But the Minimize button below it does not center the same way.
>> > Does
>> > anyone find that unaesthetic?
>>
>> Regardless, if Minimize centred, where would the Sync-Lock Tracks button
>> go?
>
>
> I assume you mean the sync-locked indicator icon Gale?
>
> That one's just an indicator and not an active button (but there's a thought
> ... )
>
> Peter
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Gale
>>
>>
>> > Menu button overlaps bottom track border slightly, which it did not in
>> > 2.1.3. Is this intended?
>> >
>> > And theme-specific:
>> >
>> > Extra lines about the Minimize, Mute, and Solo buttons are no longer
>> > drawn,
>> > as they were in 2.1.3.  So even Classic changes it appearance, and I
>> > think
>> > the top and left bevels of the buttons in unselected tracks contrast too
>> > little with the background of the panel.  I suppose that was why code
>> > was
>> > once added to make extra lines.  (In Light theme, there is a small
>> > change to
>> > the background of the buttons themselves, which is just enough to
>> > improve
>> > contrast.)  So should the lines be restored, just for Classic?  Or
>> > should
>> > Classic make some small color change?
>> > Mousing over the Transport toolbar buttons in Light theme on Mac looks a
>> > bit
>> > wrong at the borders -- as if the bitmaps have been clipped one or two
>> > pixels at the top.
>> > In Classic theme, on Mac, mousing over the menu buttons on the recording
>> > and
>> > playback meters makes too little change of appearance, less so than the
>> > clear change in 2.1.3, and as in (2) the changes near the borders of the
>> > bitmap don't look right.
>> >
>> > That's all for now, there may be others.
>> >
>> > PRL
>> >
>> >
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Re: [Audacity-devel] Minor appearance issues

Paul Licameli


On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Gale Andrews <[hidden email]> wrote:
Yes, sorry I meant "indicator" in the TCP. There would not be room
for the indicator if the Minimize button was centred.

There would, if the width of the button were also changed.  That button's left edge has moved left since 2.1.3, and its bottom, one pixel down.

 I don't want to open a long discussion about the sync lock icon.  I just ask whether we all like the changed Minimize before we go ahead with manual images.  My personal opinions about it are not strong.

PRL

 

At the moment the "indicator" is an indication of "Sync-Lock
Selectedness" for each track, which is a different purpose to a button
that enables the Sync-Locked Tracks feature globally.

But I think there is a good case that user could manually choose
which tracks to sync in the TCP. The only global option then might be
an option to sync selected tracks.


Gale


On 9 June 2017 at 18:38, Peter Sampson <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 6:31 PM, Gale Andrews <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> On 9 June 2017 at 18:02, Paul Licameli <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> > Listing some minor appearance issues -- biased toward the Mac that I do
>> > most
>> > of my work on these days:
>> >
>> > Not necessarily problems, and not specific to any theme:
>> >
>> > So far, we let it stand, that the Close and Mute buttons do not impinge
>> > on
>> > the left and top borders of TrackControlPanel, whereas they did in
>> > 2.1.3,
>> > appearing a little more raised.
>> > Menu button and Solo have now (c11fd1d) been made consistent -- so they
>> > DO
>> > slightly impinge on the RIGHT border, but they did not in 2.1.3.
>> > When there is no Solo (Tracks, Behaviors preferences), Mute is now
>> > centered,
>> > good.  But the Minimize button below it does not center the same way.
>> > Does
>> > anyone find that unaesthetic?
>>
>> Regardless, if Minimize centred, where would the Sync-Lock Tracks button
>> go?
>
>
> I assume you mean the sync-locked indicator icon Gale?
>
> That one's just an indicator and not an active button (but there's a thought
> ... )
>
> Peter
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Gale
>>
>>
>> > Menu button overlaps bottom track border slightly, which it did not in
>> > 2.1.3. Is this intended?
>> >
>> > And theme-specific:
>> >
>> > Extra lines about the Minimize, Mute, and Solo buttons are no longer
>> > drawn,
>> > as they were in 2.1.3.  So even Classic changes it appearance, and I
>> > think
>> > the top and left bevels of the buttons in unselected tracks contrast too
>> > little with the background of the panel.  I suppose that was why code
>> > was
>> > once added to make extra lines.  (In Light theme, there is a small
>> > change to
>> > the background of the buttons themselves, which is just enough to
>> > improve
>> > contrast.)  So should the lines be restored, just for Classic?  Or
>> > should
>> > Classic make some small color change?
>> > Mousing over the Transport toolbar buttons in Light theme on Mac looks a
>> > bit
>> > wrong at the borders -- as if the bitmaps have been clipped one or two
>> > pixels at the top.
>> > In Classic theme, on Mac, mousing over the menu buttons on the recording
>> > and
>> > playback meters makes too little change of appearance, less so than the
>> > clear change in 2.1.3, and as in (2) the changes near the borders of the
>> > bitmap don't look right.
>> >
>> > That's all for now, there may be others.
>> >
>> > PRL
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Re: [Audacity-devel] Minor appearance issues

Gale
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If anything, I would not center the minimize button.

Perhaps if it is larger and left-centred, it is easier to click?


Gale


On 9 June 2017 at 19:54, Paul Licameli <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Gale Andrews <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, sorry I meant "indicator" in the TCP. There would not be room
>> for the indicator if the Minimize button was centred.
>
>
> There would, if the width of the button were also changed.  That button's
> left edge has moved left since 2.1.3, and its bottom, one pixel down.
>
>  I don't want to open a long discussion about the sync lock icon.  I just
> ask whether we all like the changed Minimize before we go ahead with manual
> images.  My personal opinions about it are not strong.
>
> PRL
>
>
>>
>>
>> At the moment the "indicator" is an indication of "Sync-Lock
>> Selectedness" for each track, which is a different purpose to a button
>> that enables the Sync-Locked Tracks feature globally.
>>
>> But I think there is a good case that user could manually choose
>> which tracks to sync in the TCP. The only global option then might be
>> an option to sync selected tracks.
>>
>>
>> Gale
>>
>>
>> On 9 June 2017 at 18:38, Peter Sampson <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 6:31 PM, Gale Andrews <[hidden email]>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On 9 June 2017 at 18:02, Paul Licameli <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> >> > Listing some minor appearance issues -- biased toward the Mac that I
>> >> > do
>> >> > most
>> >> > of my work on these days:
>> >> >
>> >> > Not necessarily problems, and not specific to any theme:
>> >> >
>> >> > So far, we let it stand, that the Close and Mute buttons do not
>> >> > impinge
>> >> > on
>> >> > the left and top borders of TrackControlPanel, whereas they did in
>> >> > 2.1.3,
>> >> > appearing a little more raised.
>> >> > Menu button and Solo have now (c11fd1d) been made consistent -- so
>> >> > they
>> >> > DO
>> >> > slightly impinge on the RIGHT border, but they did not in 2.1.3.
>> >> > When there is no Solo (Tracks, Behaviors preferences), Mute is now
>> >> > centered,
>> >> > good.  But the Minimize button below it does not center the same way.
>> >> > Does
>> >> > anyone find that unaesthetic?
>> >>
>> >> Regardless, if Minimize centred, where would the Sync-Lock Tracks
>> >> button
>> >> go?
>> >
>> >
>> > I assume you mean the sync-locked indicator icon Gale?
>> >
>> > That one's just an indicator and not an active button (but there's a
>> > thought
>> > ... )
>> >
>> > Peter
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Gale
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Menu button overlaps bottom track border slightly, which it did not
>> >> > in
>> >> > 2.1.3. Is this intended?
>> >> >
>> >> > And theme-specific:
>> >> >
>> >> > Extra lines about the Minimize, Mute, and Solo buttons are no longer
>> >> > drawn,
>> >> > as they were in 2.1.3.  So even Classic changes it appearance, and I
>> >> > think
>> >> > the top and left bevels of the buttons in unselected tracks contrast
>> >> > too
>> >> > little with the background of the panel.  I suppose that was why code
>> >> > was
>> >> > once added to make extra lines.  (In Light theme, there is a small
>> >> > change to
>> >> > the background of the buttons themselves, which is just enough to
>> >> > improve
>> >> > contrast.)  So should the lines be restored, just for Classic?  Or
>> >> > should
>> >> > Classic make some small color change?
>> >> > Mousing over the Transport toolbar buttons in Light theme on Mac
>> >> > looks a
>> >> > bit
>> >> > wrong at the borders -- as if the bitmaps have been clipped one or
>> >> > two
>> >> > pixels at the top.
>> >> > In Classic theme, on Mac, mousing over the menu buttons on the
>> >> > recording
>> >> > and
>> >> > playback meters makes too little change of appearance, less so than
>> >> > the
>> >> > clear change in 2.1.3, and as in (2) the changes near the borders of
>> >> > the
>> >> > bitmap don't look right.
>> >> >
>> >> > That's all for now, there may be others.
>> >> >
>> >> > PRL
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
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Re: [Audacity-devel] Minor appearance issues

Paul Licameli


On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Gale Andrews <[hidden email]> wrote:
If anything, I would not center the minimize button.

Perhaps if it is larger and left-centred, it is easier to click?

"Left-centered."  Do you mean left-aligned?  Shrink the remaining space left of it to nothing?

PRL

 


Gale


On 9 June 2017 at 19:54, Paul Licameli <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Gale Andrews <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, sorry I meant "indicator" in the TCP. There would not be room
>> for the indicator if the Minimize button was centred.
>
>
> There would, if the width of the button were also changed.  That button's
> left edge has moved left since 2.1.3, and its bottom, one pixel down.
>
>  I don't want to open a long discussion about the sync lock icon.  I just
> ask whether we all like the changed Minimize before we go ahead with manual
> images.  My personal opinions about it are not strong.
>
> PRL
>
>
>>
>>
>> At the moment the "indicator" is an indication of "Sync-Lock
>> Selectedness" for each track, which is a different purpose to a button
>> that enables the Sync-Locked Tracks feature globally.
>>
>> But I think there is a good case that user could manually choose
>> which tracks to sync in the TCP. The only global option then might be
>> an option to sync selected tracks.
>>
>>
>> Gale
>>
>>
>> On 9 June 2017 at 18:38, Peter Sampson <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 6:31 PM, Gale Andrews <[hidden email]>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On 9 June 2017 at 18:02, Paul Licameli <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> >> > Listing some minor appearance issues -- biased toward the Mac that I
>> >> > do
>> >> > most
>> >> > of my work on these days:
>> >> >
>> >> > Not necessarily problems, and not specific to any theme:
>> >> >
>> >> > So far, we let it stand, that the Close and Mute buttons do not
>> >> > impinge
>> >> > on
>> >> > the left and top borders of TrackControlPanel, whereas they did in
>> >> > 2.1.3,
>> >> > appearing a little more raised.
>> >> > Menu button and Solo have now (c11fd1d) been made consistent -- so
>> >> > they
>> >> > DO
>> >> > slightly impinge on the RIGHT border, but they did not in 2.1.3.
>> >> > When there is no Solo (Tracks, Behaviors preferences), Mute is now
>> >> > centered,
>> >> > good.  But the Minimize button below it does not center the same way.
>> >> > Does
>> >> > anyone find that unaesthetic?
>> >>
>> >> Regardless, if Minimize centred, where would the Sync-Lock Tracks
>> >> button
>> >> go?
>> >
>> >
>> > I assume you mean the sync-locked indicator icon Gale?
>> >
>> > That one's just an indicator and not an active button (but there's a
>> > thought
>> > ... )
>> >
>> > Peter
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Gale
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Menu button overlaps bottom track border slightly, which it did not
>> >> > in
>> >> > 2.1.3. Is this intended?
>> >> >
>> >> > And theme-specific:
>> >> >
>> >> > Extra lines about the Minimize, Mute, and Solo buttons are no longer
>> >> > drawn,
>> >> > as they were in 2.1.3.  So even Classic changes it appearance, and I
>> >> > think
>> >> > the top and left bevels of the buttons in unselected tracks contrast
>> >> > too
>> >> > little with the background of the panel.  I suppose that was why code
>> >> > was
>> >> > once added to make extra lines.  (In Light theme, there is a small
>> >> > change to
>> >> > the background of the buttons themselves, which is just enough to
>> >> > improve
>> >> > contrast.)  So should the lines be restored, just for Classic?  Or
>> >> > should
>> >> > Classic make some small color change?
>> >> > Mousing over the Transport toolbar buttons in Light theme on Mac
>> >> > looks a
>> >> > bit
>> >> > wrong at the borders -- as if the bitmaps have been clipped one or
>> >> > two
>> >> > pixels at the top.
>> >> > In Classic theme, on Mac, mousing over the menu buttons on the
>> >> > recording
>> >> > and
>> >> > playback meters makes too little change of appearance, less so than
>> >> > the
>> >> > clear change in 2.1.3, and as in (2) the changes near the borders of
>> >> > the
>> >> > bitmap don't look right.
>> >> >
>> >> > That's all for now, there may be others.
>> >> >
>> >> > PRL
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
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Re: Minor appearance issues

James Crook
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On 6/9/2017 6:02 PM, Paul Licameli wrote:
Listing some minor appearance issues -- biased toward the Mac that I do
most of my work on these days:

Not necessarily problems, and not specific to any theme:

   1. So far, we let it stand, that the Close and Mute buttons do not
   impinge on the left and top borders of TrackControlPanel, whereas they did
   in 2.1.3, appearing a little more raised.
I think it's slightly better (as now) that they don't and that we have the 1px black rectangle round the whole track. 
   2. Menu button and Solo have now (c11fd1d) been made consistent -- so
   they DO slightly impinge on the RIGHT border, but they did not in 2.1.3.
I think it's slightly better (as now) that they do.  I'd argue it is an internal divider, like the 'divide' between the mute and solo buttons, unlike the 1px border round the whole track.

   3. When there is no Solo (Tracks, Behaviors preferences), Mute is now
   centered, good.  But the Minimize button below it does not center the same
   way.  Does anyone find that unaesthetic?
I think it could look neater with the minimize button left-aligned, but I would then suggest that the sync-lock indicator needs to be a button, and have an up and down state.

   4. Menu button overlaps bottom track border slightly, which it did not
   in 2.1.3. Is this intended?
I'm not understanding this comment.  I think the Minimize button probably is one pixel too low.
(We could though decide to lose the black line at top, left and bottom of TCP and move buttons to the edges). 



And theme-specific:

   1. Extra lines about the Minimize, Mute, and Solo buttons are no longer
   drawn, as they were in 2.1.3.  So even Classic changes it appearance, and I
   think the top and left bevels of the buttons in unselected tracks contrast
   too little with the background of the panel.  I suppose that was why code
   was once added to make extra lines.  (In Light theme, there is a small
   change to the background of the buttons themselves, which is just enough to
   improve contrast.)  So should the lines be restored, just for Classic?  Or
   should Classic make some small color change?
I think Classic would look better if the bevel were restored to the panel that shows the audio format and the panel that shows the sliders.
I think Light could do with a bit more contrast between the panel and button colour. Probably just making the mute-solo buttons darker so they are the same shade as selected mute-solo ones would be good (and Toolbar buttons likewise).
I don't think the lines would help.

   2. Mousing over the Transport toolbar buttons in Light theme on Mac
   looks a bit wrong at the borders -- as if the bitmaps have been clipped one
   or two pixels at the top.
Pass.  I'm only looking at Windows at the moment.
   3. In Classic theme, on Mac, mousing over the menu buttons on the
   recording and playback meters makes too little change of appearance, less
   so than the clear change in 2.1.3, 
So darker buttons then, as in my comment on 1.

and as in (2) the changes near the
   borders of the bitmap don't look right.

That's all for now, there may be others.

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Re: Minor appearance issues

Paul Licameli


On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 6:23 PM, James Crook <[hidden email]> wrote:
On 6/9/2017 6:02 PM, Paul Licameli wrote:
Listing some minor appearance issues -- biased toward the Mac that I do
most of my work on these days:

Not necessarily problems, and not specific to any theme:

   1. So far, we let it stand, that the Close and Mute buttons do not
   impinge on the left and top borders of TrackControlPanel, whereas they did
   in 2.1.3, appearing a little more raised.
I think it's slightly better (as now) that they don't and that we have the 1px black rectangle round the whole track. 
   2. Menu button and Solo have now (c11fd1d) been made consistent -- so
   they DO slightly impinge on the RIGHT border, but they did not in 2.1.3.
I think it's slightly better (as now) that they do.  I'd argue it is an internal divider, like the 'divide' between the mute and solo buttons, unlike the 1px border round the whole track.

   3. When there is no Solo (Tracks, Behaviors preferences), Mute is now
   centered, good.  But the Minimize button below it does not center the same
   way.  Does anyone find that unaesthetic?
I think it could look neater with the minimize button left-aligned, but I would then suggest that the sync-lock indicator needs to be a button, and have an up and down state.

   4. Menu button overlaps bottom track border slightly, which it did not
   in 2.1.3. Is this intended?
I'm not understanding this comment.  I think the Minimize button probably is one pixel too low.
(We could though decide to lose the black line at top, left and bottom of TCP and move buttons to the edges). 

Ah, I meant to write Minimize there, not Menu.
 


And theme-specific:

   1. Extra lines about the Minimize, Mute, and Solo buttons are no longer
   drawn, as they were in 2.1.3.  So even Classic changes it appearance, and I
   think the top and left bevels of the buttons in unselected tracks contrast
   too little with the background of the panel.  I suppose that was why code
   was once added to make extra lines.  (In Light theme, there is a small
   change to the background of the buttons themselves, which is just enough to
   improve contrast.)  So should the lines be restored, just for Classic?  Or
   should Classic make some small color change?
I think Classic would look better if the bevel were restored to the panel that shows the audio format and the panel that shows the sliders.

Which bevels are those?  Are you referring to something much older than 2.1.3?
 
I think Light could do with a bit more contrast between the panel and button colour. Probably just making the mute-solo buttons darker so they are the same shade as selected mute-solo ones would be good (and Toolbar buttons likewise).
I don't think the lines would help.

Light does have a little such contrast; but Classic has nil.
 

   2. Mousing over the Transport toolbar buttons in Light theme on Mac
   looks a bit wrong at the borders -- as if the bitmaps have been clipped one
   or two pixels at the top.
Pass.  I'm only looking at Windows at the moment.

Then I may attempt this myself.

PRL
 
   3. In Classic theme, on Mac, mousing over the menu buttons on the
   recording and playback meters makes too little change of appearance, less
   so than the clear change in 2.1.3, 
So darker buttons then, as in my comment on 1.

and as in (2) the changes near the
   borders of the bitmap don't look right.

That's all for now, there may be others.

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Re: Minor appearance issues

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On 6/10/2017 12:27 AM, Paul Licameli wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 6:23 PM, James Crook <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> On 6/9/2017 6:02 PM, Paul Licameli wrote:
>>
>> Listing some minor appearance issues -- biased toward the Mac that I do
>> most of my work on these days:
>>
>> Not necessarily problems, and not specific to any theme:
>>
>>     1. So far, we let it stand, that the Close and Mute buttons do not
>>     impinge on the left and top borders of TrackControlPanel, whereas they did
>>     in 2.1.3, appearing a little more raised.
>>
>> I think it's slightly better (as now) that they don't and that we have the
>> 1px black rectangle round the whole track.
>>
>>     2. Menu button and Solo have now (c11fd1d) been made consistent -- so
>>     they DO slightly impinge on the RIGHT border, but they did not in 2.1.3.
>>
>> I think it's slightly better (as now) that they do.  I'd argue it is an
>> internal divider, like the 'divide' between the mute and solo buttons,
>> unlike the 1px border round the whole track.
>>
>>     3. When there is no Solo (Tracks, Behaviors preferences), Mute is now
>>     centered, good.  But the Minimize button below it does not center the same
>>     way.  Does anyone find that unaesthetic?
>>
>> I think it could look neater with the minimize button left-aligned, but I
>> would then suggest that the sync-lock indicator needs to be a button, and
>> have an up and down state.
>>
>>     4. Menu button overlaps bottom track border slightly, which it did not
>>     in 2.1.3. Is this intended?
>>
>> I'm not understanding this comment.  I think the Minimize button probably
>> is one pixel too low.
>> (We could though decide to lose the black line at top, left and bottom of
>> TCP and move buttons to the edges).
>>
> Ah, I meant to write Minimize there, not Menu.
I moved minimize button up and left aligned it.



>
>> And theme-specific:
>>
>>     1. Extra lines about the Minimize, Mute, and Solo buttons are no longer
>>     drawn, as they were in 2.1.3.  So even Classic changes it appearance, and I
>>     think the top and left bevels of the buttons in unselected tracks contrast
>>     too little with the background of the panel.  I suppose that was why code
>>     was once added to make extra lines.  (In Light theme, there is a small
>>     change to the background of the buttons themselves, which is just enough to
>>     improve contrast.)  So should the lines be restored, just for Classic?  Or
>>     should Classic make some small color change?
>>
>> I think Classic would look better if the bevel were restored to the panel
>> that shows the audio format and the panel that shows the sliders.
>>
> Which bevels are those?  Are you referring to something much older than
> 2.1.3?
Yes, predates 2.1.3.
Have a look at Greg Hardesty's screenshot on
http://www.darkaudacity.com/inspire.html

That was how the bevelling was done 'back then'



>
>> I think Light could do with a bit more contrast between the panel and
>> button colour. Probably just making the mute-solo buttons darker so they
>> are the same shade as selected mute-solo ones would be good (and Toolbar
>> buttons likewise).
>> I don't think the lines would help.
>>
> Light does have a little such contrast; but Classic has nil.
I've tweaked the light theme a bit to keep the mute-solo buttons darker
at all times, and darkened the background of the other buttons to
match.  Also clearer contrasts for hover and down.  It's fine for
buttons and background to be similar or same in colour (if there is a
border to the button).  The distinction that matters a lot is between
selected and unselected.

I'm thinking there might be another step here, which is either:
- Make the standard background a light bluey grey.  We'll lose a little
contrast, but the buttns may 'sit' better.  OR
- Lose the blue colour from buttons, and use bevels (for mute-solo and
small buttons) and 1px dark purpley grey border (for large buttons)

Possibly it's time to do some variations and then discuss/vote on them
on hub.

--James.

>>     2. Mousing over the Transport toolbar buttons in Light theme on Mac
>>     looks a bit wrong at the borders -- as if the bitmaps have been clipped one
>>     or two pixels at the top.
>>
>> Pass.  I'm only looking at Windows at the moment.
>>
> Then I may attempt this myself.
>
> PRL
>
>
>>     3. In Classic theme, on Mac, mousing over the menu buttons on the
>>     recording and playback meters makes too little change of appearance, less
>>     so than the clear change in 2.1.3,
>>
>> So darker buttons then, as in my comment on 1.
>>
>> and as in (2) the changes near the
>>     borders of the bitmap don't look right.
>>
>> That's all for now, there may be others.
>>
>> PRL


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Re: Minor appearance issues

Paul Licameli


On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 5:30 AM, James Crook <[hidden email]> wrote:
On 6/10/2017 12:27 AM, Paul Licameli wrote:
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 6:23 PM, James Crook <[hidden email]> wrote:

On 6/9/2017 6:02 PM, Paul Licameli wrote:

Listing some minor appearance issues -- biased toward the Mac that I do
most of my work on these days:

Not necessarily problems, and not specific to any theme:

    1. So far, we let it stand, that the Close and Mute buttons do not
    impinge on the left and top borders of TrackControlPanel, whereas they did
    in 2.1.3, appearing a little more raised.

I think it's slightly better (as now) that they don't and that we have the
1px black rectangle round the whole track.

    2. Menu button and Solo have now (c11fd1d) been made consistent -- so
    they DO slightly impinge on the RIGHT border, but they did not in 2.1.3.

I think it's slightly better (as now) that they do.  I'd argue it is an
internal divider, like the 'divide' between the mute and solo buttons,
unlike the 1px border round the whole track.

    3. When there is no Solo (Tracks, Behaviors preferences), Mute is now
    centered, good.  But the Minimize button below it does not center the same
    way.  Does anyone find that unaesthetic?

I think it could look neater with the minimize button left-aligned, but I
would then suggest that the sync-lock indicator needs to be a button, and
have an up and down state.

    4. Menu button overlaps bottom track border slightly, which it did not
    in 2.1.3. Is this intended?

I'm not understanding this comment.  I think the Minimize button probably
is one pixel too low.
(We could though decide to lose the black line at top, left and bottom of
TCP and move buttons to the edges).

Ah, I meant to write Minimize there, not Menu.
I moved minimize button up and left aligned it.


I want to be clear I was not demanding this change with the RM hat on.  I was just asking whether questionable things were really your intent.
 



And theme-specific:

    1. Extra lines about the Minimize, Mute, and Solo buttons are no longer
    drawn, as they were in 2.1.3.  So even Classic changes it appearance, and I
    think the top and left bevels of the buttons in unselected tracks contrast
    too little with the background of the panel.  I suppose that was why code
    was once added to make extra lines.  (In Light theme, there is a small
    change to the background of the buttons themselves, which is just enough to
    improve contrast.)  So should the lines be restored, just for Classic?  Or
    should Classic make some small color change?

I think Classic would look better if the bevel were restored to the panel
that shows the audio format and the panel that shows the sliders.

Which bevels are those?  Are you referring to something much older than
2.1.3?
Yes, predates 2.1.3.
Have a look at Greg Hardesty's screenshot on http://www.darkaudacity.com/inspire.html

That was how the bevelling was done 'back then'




I think Light could do with a bit more contrast between the panel and
button colour. Probably just making the mute-solo buttons darker so they
are the same shade as selected mute-solo ones would be good (and Toolbar
buttons likewise).
I don't think the lines would help.

Light does have a little such contrast; but Classic has nil.
I've tweaked the light theme a bit to keep the mute-solo buttons darker at all times, and darkened the background of the other buttons to match.  Also clearer contrasts for hover and down.  It's fine for buttons and background to be similar or same in colour (if there is a border to the button).  The distinction that matters a lot is between selected and unselected.

I'm thinking there might be another step here, which is either:
- Make the standard background a light bluey grey.  We'll lose a little contrast, but the buttns may 'sit' better.  OR
- Lose the blue colour from buttons, and use bevels (for mute-solo and small buttons) and 1px dark purpley grey border (for large buttons)

Possibly it's time to do some variations and then discuss/vote on them on hub.

I see you did those and other things recently.  It is hard to tell from ThemeAsCeeCode.h alone just what other buttons you may be referring to in commit comments.

Did anything change in Classic theme?

PRL

 


--James.


    2. Mousing over the Transport toolbar buttons in Light theme on Mac
    looks a bit wrong at the borders -- as if the bitmaps have been clipped one
    or two pixels at the top.

Pass.  I'm only looking at Windows at the moment.

Then I may attempt this myself.

PRL


    3. In Classic theme, on Mac, mousing over the menu buttons on the
    recording and playback meters makes too little change of appearance, less
    so than the clear change in 2.1.3,

So darker buttons then, as in my comment on 1.

and as in (2) the changes near the
    borders of the bitmap don't look right.

That's all for now, there may be others.

PRL


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Re: Minor appearance issues

James Crook
On 6/10/2017 12:06 PM, Paul Licameli wrote:
On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 5:30 AM, James Crook [hidden email] wrote:

On 6/10/2017 12:27 AM, Paul Licameli wrote:

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 6:23 PM, James Crook [hidden email] wrote:

On 6/9/2017 6:02 PM, Paul Licameli wrote:
Listing some minor appearance issues -- biased toward the Mac that I do
most of my work on these days:

Not necessarily problems, and not specific to any theme:

    1. So far, we let it stand, that the Close and Mute buttons do not
    impinge on the left and top borders of TrackControlPanel, whereas
they did
    in 2.1.3, appearing a little more raised.

I think it's slightly better (as now) that they don't and that we have
the
1px black rectangle round the whole track.

    2. Menu button and Solo have now (c11fd1d) been made consistent -- so
    they DO slightly impinge on the RIGHT border, but they did not in
2.1.3.

I think it's slightly better (as now) that they do.  I'd argue it is an
internal divider, like the 'divide' between the mute and solo buttons,
unlike the 1px border round the whole track.

    3. When there is no Solo (Tracks, Behaviors preferences), Mute is now
    centered, good.  But the Minimize button below it does not center
the same
    way.  Does anyone find that unaesthetic?

I think it could look neater with the minimize button left-aligned, but I
would then suggest that the sync-lock indicator needs to be a button, and
have an up and down state.

    4. Menu button overlaps bottom track border slightly, which it did
not
    in 2.1.3. Is this intended?

I'm not understanding this comment.  I think the Minimize button probably
is one pixel too low.
(We could though decide to lose the black line at top, left and bottom of
TCP and move buttons to the edges).

Ah, I meant to write Minimize there, not Menu.

        
I moved minimize button up and left aligned it.


I want to be clear I was not demanding this change with the RM hat on.  I
was just asking whether questionable things were really your intent.

That was indeed totally clear.






And theme-specific:
    1. Extra lines about the Minimize, Mute, and Solo buttons are no
longer
    drawn, as they were in 2.1.3.  So even Classic changes it
appearance, and I
    think the top and left bevels of the buttons in unselected tracks
contrast
    too little with the background of the panel.  I suppose that was why
code
    was once added to make extra lines.  (In Light theme, there is a
small
    change to the background of the buttons themselves, which is just
enough to
    improve contrast.)  So should the lines be restored, just for
Classic?  Or
    should Classic make some small color change?

I think Classic would look better if the bevel were restored to the panel
that shows the audio format and the panel that shows the sliders.

Which bevels are those?  Are you referring to something much older than
2.1.3?

Yes, predates 2.1.3.
Have a look at Greg Hardesty's screenshot on
http://www.darkaudacity.com/inspire.html

That was how the bevelling was done 'back then'




I think Light could do with a bit more contrast between the panel and
button colour. Probably just making the mute-solo buttons darker so they
are the same shade as selected mute-solo ones would be good (and Toolbar
buttons likewise).
I don't think the lines would help.

Light does have a little such contrast; but Classic has nil.

        
I've tweaked the light theme a bit to keep the mute-solo buttons darker at
all times, and darkened the background of the other buttons to match.  Also
clearer contrasts for hover and down.  It's fine for buttons and background
to be similar or same in colour (if there is a border to the button).  The
distinction that matters a lot is between selected and unselected.

I'm thinking there might be another step here, which is either:
- Make the standard background a light bluey grey.  We'll lose a little
contrast, but the buttns may 'sit' better.  OR
- Lose the blue colour from buttons, and use bevels (for mute-solo and
small buttons) and 1px dark purpley grey border (for large buttons)

Possibly it's time to do some variations and then discuss/vote on them on
hub.

I see you did those and other things recently.  It is hard to tell from
ThemeAsCeeCode.h alone just what other buttons you may be referring to in
commit comments.

Did anything change in Classic theme?
I did not check in a new theme cache for it, so only the positioning of the Minimize button (and with it increased height minimized) should have changed.



PRL




--James.


    2. Mousing over the Transport toolbar buttons in Light theme on Mac
    looks a bit wrong at the borders -- as if the bitmaps have been
clipped one
    or two pixels at the top.

Pass.  I'm only looking at Windows at the moment.

Then I may attempt this myself.
PRL


    3. In Classic theme, on Mac, mousing over the menu buttons on the
    recording and playback meters makes too little change of appearance,
less
    so than the clear change in 2.1.3,

So darker buttons then, as in my comment on 1.

and as in (2) the changes near the
    borders of the bitmap don't look right.

That's all for now, there may be others.

PRL


        
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