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Stevethefiddle
On Windows, Audacity can easily be run as a "portable" application by
extracting the ZIP package onto a USB drive and adding a "Portable
Settings" folder (and optionally configuring the temp folder
location).

What about on Mac and Linux?
I'm guessing that something similar can be done on Mac, but not Linux.
Anyone know? Anyone tried?

Steve

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Re: Portable version of Audacity

Cliff Scott
Haven't tried putting it on a USB stick, but other than that I always use Portable Settings when keeping an old version so playing with new versions won't affect the older one. I'm sure it would work fine on the Mac on the USB stick. Will test and get back to you with conformation.

Cliff

> On May 25, 2017, at 7:42 AM, Steve the Fiddle <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> On Windows, Audacity can easily be run as a "portable" application by
> extracting the ZIP package onto a USB drive and adding a "Portable
> Settings" folder (and optionally configuring the temp folder
> location).
>
> What about on Mac and Linux?
> I'm guessing that something similar can be done on Mac, but not Linux.
> Anyone know? Anyone tried?
>
> Steve
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Re: Portable version of Audacity

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Well, Steve, I was wrong. It starts just fine the first time, but if I change the temp directory to be on the USB stick it will not start. Is there a space requirement that maybe isn't being satisfied? I only have 2 GB available on the stick.

Cliff

> On May 25, 2017, at 7:42 AM, Steve the Fiddle <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> On Windows, Audacity can easily be run as a "portable" application by
> extracting the ZIP package onto a USB drive and adding a "Portable
> Settings" folder (and optionally configuring the temp folder
> location).
>
> What about on Mac and Linux?
> I'm guessing that something similar can be done on Mac, but not Linux.
> Anyone know? Anyone tried?
>
> Steve
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Re: Portable version of Audacity

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The Manual believes "Portable Settings" is cross-platform supported:
http://manual.audacityteam.org/man/preferences.html#portable .

This worked on Ubuntu 14.04 last time I tried it. Having self-compiled
Audacity, I added a "Portable Settings" folder to usr/local/bin/.

Cliff wrote:
> Well, Steve, I was wrong. It starts just fine the first time, but if I change
> the temp directory to be on the USB stick it will not start. Is there a
> space requirement that maybe isn't being satisfied? I only have 2 GB
> available on the stick.

No space requirement at all. I would guess the stick is formatted with FAT
or ExFAT so you have run into:
http://bugzilla.audacityteam.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1446 .



Gale


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> On Windows, Audacity can easily be run as a "portable" application by
> extracting the ZIP package onto a USB drive and adding a "Portable
> Settings" folder (and optionally configuring the temp folder
> location).
>
> What about on Mac and Linux?
> I'm guessing that something similar can be done on Mac, but not Linux.
> Anyone know? Anyone tried?
>
> Steve
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Re: Portable version of Audacity

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On 26 May 2017 at 00:37, Gale Andrews <[hidden email]> wrote:
> The Manual believes "Portable Settings" is cross-platform supported:
> http://manual.audacityteam.org/man/preferences.html#portable .
>
> This worked on Ubuntu 14.04 last time I tried it. Having self-compiled
> Audacity, I added a "Portable Settings" folder to usr/local/bin/.

No problem with "Portable Settings", I use that all the time to keep
my dev version separate from my production version.

I'm guessing that a normal Linux build won't be portable because it is
normally built against shared system libraries.
I guess it is 'possible' to make a portable version of Audacity for
Linux by building against local libraries and configuring the library
paths appropriately, but I don't know how easy / hard it is to do
that, or if anyone has done so.

Steve

>
> Cliff wrote:
>> Well, Steve, I was wrong. It starts just fine the first time, but if I change
>> the temp directory to be on the USB stick it will not start. Is there a
>> space requirement that maybe isn't being satisfied? I only have 2 GB
>> available on the stick.
>
> No space requirement at all. I would guess the stick is formatted with FAT
> or ExFAT so you have run into:
> http://bugzilla.audacityteam.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1446 .
>
>
>
> Gale
>
>
> On 25 May 2017 at 13:42, Steve the Fiddle <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> On Windows, Audacity can easily be run as a "portable" application by
>> extracting the ZIP package onto a USB drive and adding a "Portable
>> Settings" folder (and optionally configuring the temp folder
>> location).
>>
>> What about on Mac and Linux?
>> I'm guessing that something similar can be done on Mac, but not Linux.
>> Anyone know? Anyone tried?
>>
>> Steve
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Re: Portable version of Audacity

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Gale

You hit the nail on the head. It's formatted Fat32 so I can share with Windows users. Wonder why it would have a problem with the format when the application is also located on the Fat32 drive and runs fine. Since it is a fairly new bug maybe it is Gatekeeper or some relative of that causing the issue.

Cliff

> On May 25, 2017, at 6:37 PM, Gale Andrews <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> The Manual believes "Portable Settings" is cross-platform supported:
> http://manual.audacityteam.org/man/preferences.html#portable .
>
> This worked on Ubuntu 14.04 last time I tried it. Having self-compiled
> Audacity, I added a "Portable Settings" folder to usr/local/bin/.
>
> Cliff wrote:
>> Well, Steve, I was wrong. It starts just fine the first time, but if I change
>> the temp directory to be on the USB stick it will not start. Is there a
>> space requirement that maybe isn't being satisfied? I only have 2 GB
>> available on the stick.
>
> No space requirement at all. I would guess the stick is formatted with FAT
> or ExFAT so you have run into:
> http://bugzilla.audacityteam.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1446 .
>
>
>
> Gale
>
>
> On 25 May 2017 at 13:42, Steve the Fiddle <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> On Windows, Audacity can easily be run as a "portable" application by
>> extracting the ZIP package onto a USB drive and adding a "Portable
>> Settings" folder (and optionally configuring the temp folder
>> location).
>>
>> What about on Mac and Linux?
>> I'm guessing that something similar can be done on Mac, but not Linux.
>> Anyone know? Anyone tried?
>>
>> Steve
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Re: Portable version of Audacity

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On 26 May 2017 at 01:11, Steve the Fiddle <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 26 May 2017 at 00:37, Gale Andrews <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> The Manual believes "Portable Settings" is cross-platform supported:
>> http://manual.audacityteam.org/man/preferences.html#portable .
>>
>> This worked on Ubuntu 14.04 last time I tried it. Having self-compiled
>> Audacity, I added a "Portable Settings" folder to usr/local/bin/.
>
> No problem with "Portable Settings", I use that all the time to keep
> my dev version separate from my production version.
>
> I'm guessing that a normal Linux build won't be portable because it is
> normally built against shared system libraries.
> I guess it is 'possible' to make a portable version of Audacity for
> Linux by building against local libraries and configuring the library
> paths appropriately, but I don't know how easy / hard it is to do
> that, or if anyone has done so.

How different is that from AppImage http://appimage.org/ and Snaps
https://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/snappy  ?


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>> Cliff wrote:
>>> Well, Steve, I was wrong. It starts just fine the first time, but if I change
>>> the temp directory to be on the USB stick it will not start. Is there a
>>> space requirement that maybe isn't being satisfied? I only have 2 GB
>>> available on the stick.
>>
>> No space requirement at all. I would guess the stick is formatted with FAT
>> or ExFAT so you have run into:
>> http://bugzilla.audacityteam.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1446 .
>>
>>
>>
>> Gale
>>
>>
>> On 25 May 2017 at 13:42, Steve the Fiddle <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> On Windows, Audacity can easily be run as a "portable" application by
>>> extracting the ZIP package onto a USB drive and adding a "Portable
>>> Settings" folder (and optionally configuring the temp folder
>>> location).
>>>
>>> What about on Mac and Linux?
>>> I'm guessing that something similar can be done on Mac, but not Linux.
>>> Anyone know? Anyone tried?
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
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Re: Portable version of Audacity

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On 26 May 2017 at 15:47, Gale Andrews <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 26 May 2017 at 01:11, Steve the Fiddle <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> On 26 May 2017 at 00:37, Gale Andrews <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> The Manual believes "Portable Settings" is cross-platform supported:
>>> http://manual.audacityteam.org/man/preferences.html#portable .
>>>
>>> This worked on Ubuntu 14.04 last time I tried it. Having self-compiled
>>> Audacity, I added a "Portable Settings" folder to usr/local/bin/.
>>
>> No problem with "Portable Settings", I use that all the time to keep
>> my dev version separate from my production version.
>>
>> I'm guessing that a normal Linux build won't be portable because it is
>> normally built against shared system libraries.
>> I guess it is 'possible' to make a portable version of Audacity for
>> Linux by building against local libraries and configuring the library
>> paths appropriately, but I don't know how easy / hard it is to do
>> that, or if anyone has done so.
>
> How different is that from AppImage http://appimage.org/ and Snaps
> https://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/snappy  ?

Probably not much.

Do we officially support any types of "portable" installation? If so,
what sort and on what platforms?
Depending on the answer to that, the follow up question might be,
"where's the documentation?"

Steve

>
>
> Gale
>
>
>>> Cliff wrote:
>>>> Well, Steve, I was wrong. It starts just fine the first time, but if I change
>>>> the temp directory to be on the USB stick it will not start. Is there a
>>>> space requirement that maybe isn't being satisfied? I only have 2 GB
>>>> available on the stick.
>>>
>>> No space requirement at all. I would guess the stick is formatted with FAT
>>> or ExFAT so you have run into:
>>> http://bugzilla.audacityteam.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1446 .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gale
>>>
>>>
>>> On 25 May 2017 at 13:42, Steve the Fiddle <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> On Windows, Audacity can easily be run as a "portable" application by
>>>> extracting the ZIP package onto a USB drive and adding a "Portable
>>>> Settings" folder (and optionally configuring the temp folder
>>>> location).
>>>>
>>>> What about on Mac and Linux?
>>>> I'm guessing that something similar can be done on Mac, but not Linux.
>>>> Anyone know? Anyone tried?
>>>>
>>>> Steve
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On 26 May 2017 at 16:27, Steve the Fiddle <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 26 May 2017 at 15:47, Gale Andrews <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> On 26 May 2017 at 01:11, Steve the Fiddle <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> On 26 May 2017 at 00:37, Gale Andrews <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> The Manual believes "Portable Settings" is cross-platform supported:
>>>> http://manual.audacityteam.org/man/preferences.html#portable .
>>>>
>>>> This worked on Ubuntu 14.04 last time I tried it. Having self-compiled
>>>> Audacity, I added a "Portable Settings" folder to usr/local/bin/.
>>>
>>> No problem with "Portable Settings", I use that all the time to keep
>>> my dev version separate from my production version.
>>>
>>> I'm guessing that a normal Linux build won't be portable because it is
>>> normally built against shared system libraries.
>>> I guess it is 'possible' to make a portable version of Audacity for
>>> Linux by building against local libraries and configuring the library
>>> paths appropriately, but I don't know how easy / hard it is to do
>>> that, or if anyone has done so.
>>
>> How different is that from AppImage http://appimage.org/ and Snaps
>> https://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/snappy  ?
>
> Probably not much.
>
> Do we officially support any types of "portable" installation? If so,
> what sort and on what platforms?

Not in my book, except for a "Portable Settings" folder on a stick
alongside Audacity. This should be portable to other machines on
Mac or Windows respectively.



Gale


> Depending on the answer to that, the follow up question might be,
> "where's the documentation?"
>
> Steve
>
>>
>>
>> Gale
>>
>>
>>>> Cliff wrote:
>>>>> Well, Steve, I was wrong. It starts just fine the first time, but if I change
>>>>> the temp directory to be on the USB stick it will not start. Is there a
>>>>> space requirement that maybe isn't being satisfied? I only have 2 GB
>>>>> available on the stick.
>>>>
>>>> No space requirement at all. I would guess the stick is formatted with FAT
>>>> or ExFAT so you have run into:
>>>> http://bugzilla.audacityteam.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1446 .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gale
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 25 May 2017 at 13:42, Steve the Fiddle <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>> On Windows, Audacity can easily be run as a "portable" application by
>>>>> extracting the ZIP package onto a USB drive and adding a "Portable
>>>>> Settings" folder (and optionally configuring the temp folder
>>>>> location).
>>>>>
>>>>> What about on Mac and Linux?
>>>>> I'm guessing that something similar can be done on Mac, but not Linux.
>>>>> Anyone know? Anyone tried?
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve
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Re: Portable version of Audacity

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On Fri, 26 May 2017 01:11:55 +0100
Steve the Fiddle <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 26 May 2017 at 00:37, Gale Andrews <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > The Manual believes "Portable Settings" is cross-platform supported:
> > http://manual.audacityteam.org/man/preferences.html#portable .
> >
> > This worked on Ubuntu 14.04 last time I tried it. Having
> > self-compiled Audacity, I added a "Portable Settings" folder to
> > usr/local/bin/.  
>
> No problem with "Portable Settings", I use that all the time to keep
> my dev version separate from my production version.
>
> I'm guessing that a normal Linux build won't be portable because it is
> normally built against shared system libraries.
Yes.

> I guess it is 'possible' to make a portable version of Audacity for
> Linux by building against local libraries and configuring the library
> paths appropriately, but I don't know how easy / hard it is to do
> that, or if anyone has done so.
As well as the libraries in lib-src, you would also have to figure out
how to build a self-contained wxGTK, as the normal of that build depends
in turn on system libraries like libpng. The same thing with
portaudio, which will dynamically link with alsa-lib by default. It's
all possible but quite a lot of work. What makes it more work is that
just copying all the shared libraries in the to same folder as Audacity
is unlikely to work (because the Linux dynamic linker is different to
the Windows one), many of them will need to be recompiled.

An alternative (with less need to do custom rebuilds of binaries) would
be the "snap" package system for Linux. https://snapcraft.io/ This
essentially carries along the complete runtime for the application
(i.e. all libraries from the kernel interface upwards), making it host
system independent. I'm far from convinced that this is a good
direction to take, and I don't know how things like sound card access
or saving files would work in their "sandbox" environment. There are
some "features" I definitely don't like (automatic background updates!).

Richard

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